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Post by ekann1 on Mar 3, 2014 21:46:43 GMT
{Char}. So what happens when this is cast and both players are at 2?
Anyway, I've always thought I knew this and I had the correct rulings, but then I looked at the Comprehensive rules, and I got confused.
I thought the non active player would die first, as spells resolve reading left to right then down. But then I found this:
104.3b If a player’s life total is 0 or less, he or she loses the game the next time a player would receive priority. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)
I always thought losing the game wasn't state based and so the non active player loses. But then I saw this. So what happens? Is it a draw?
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Post by ieatfood7 on Mar 3, 2014 21:49:06 GMT
Its a tie. The damage is simultaneous, and then both players lose the game as a state based effect.
I'm not judge, but i have had this happen on the old old video game and in real life, usually with {hurricane}
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Post by ekann1 on Mar 3, 2014 21:55:56 GMT
Huh. Weird.
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Post by abstractapathist on Mar 3, 2014 21:55:53 GMT
Its a tie. The damage is simultaneous, and then both players lose the game as a state based effect. I'm not judge, but i have had this happen on the old old video game and in real life, usually with {hurricane} Correct. The state-based checks for dead players don't occur until after the spell has finished resolving, at which point their both simultaneously dead. |
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Post by ekann1 on Mar 3, 2014 21:56:39 GMT
Its a tie. The damage is simultaneous, and then both players lose the game as a state based effect. I'm not judge, but i have had this happen on the old old video game and in real life, usually with {hurricane} Correct. The state-based checks for dead players don't occur until after the spell has finished resolving, at which point their both simultaneously dead. That's what I thought, it just seemed a little weird. Good to know, thanks. |
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Post by ieatfood7 on Mar 3, 2014 22:13:08 GMT
one thought though...if I have two creatures enter that battlefield at the same time, and they both have 0 toughness (or -1/-1 gives them both 0 toughness simultaniously), one has to die first so it goes on the graveyard first, right? Who decides that order? If so, then why not decide which opponent loses first?
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Post by abstractapathist on Mar 3, 2014 22:19:34 GMT
State-based actions are simultaneous, but the actions which cause them aren't. One player is put below or at 0 before the other, but they don't die until the state check. Both creatures are simultaneously put into the graveyard, however.
See rule 116.2d
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Post by ieatfood7 on Mar 3, 2014 22:24:25 GMT
Oh, so they die simultaniously, but its the graveyard stacking that their controler gets to control. So we lose simultaniously, but we each get to decide whetehr to scoop our lands or our creatures first.  |
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Post by nightwolf on Mar 4, 2014 1:57:34 GMT
This is one of the cards that cause you to go to game four if you cast it game three. Super funny
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Post by kaleo42 on Mar 4, 2014 17:59:58 GMT
Im just going to step in and say good job. You have come to the correct conclusions.
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Post by icescythe on Mar 5, 2014 2:34:57 GMT
Im just going to step in and say good job. You have come to the correct conclusions. Yes i agree, and i'm pleased that the card with the flavor text in my signature was the subject of the matter.  EDIT: also, because the casting player metaphorically choked to death on the embers of his own spell, i would yes, he was casting it hard enough |
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