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Post by wintut on Mar 1, 2014 16:06:51 GMT
Copied from "another forum" as with the drama the brains are pretty busy. Any thoughts?
Merieke Ri Berit taps and steals an active Karametra, God of Harvests.
Merieke's player does not have enough devotion to activate Kara as a creature.
Does Kara stay with Merike's player?
We ruled that because Merike's ability doesn't continually target, Kara stayed stolen and Merike could untap without losing Kara.
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Post by agruskosenforceroftr on Mar 1, 2014 16:16:58 GMT
I would wait to get a ruling from a more experienced judge/rules advisor, but I don't see a problem with that. I believe you are correct and Merieke does keep the Karametra, because Karmetra doesn't stop being a creature until after Merieke's ability resolves and Karametra enters your field. Sent from my VS930 4G using proboards |
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Post by DrEggman on Mar 1, 2014 16:51:52 GMT
Agreed with agrus.
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Tough one
Mar 1, 2014 16:58:04 GMT
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Post by abstractapathist on Mar 1, 2014 16:58:04 GMT
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Post by agruskosenforceroftr on Mar 1, 2014 17:02:02 GMT
Because Karametra would no longer be a creature when you take it, wouldn't the "destroy that creature" clause fizzle anyways? Its not important for Karametra, but how about things like Keyrunes. |
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Post by wintut on Mar 1, 2014 17:10:40 GMT
I buy these answers. The basis of the question is mostly that at some point these cease being creatures. So do you still control these when they are no longer creatures. I'm gonna say we agree yes. Makes my day. Thank you to everyone.
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Post by moneekahh on Mar 1, 2014 17:25:07 GMT
Because Karametra would no longer be a creature when you take it, wouldn't the "destroy that creature" clause fizzle anyways? Its not important for Karametra, but how about things like Keyrunes. As long as Karametra is a creature when you target her, you still get to keep control of her with Merieke as long as she remains tapped, even if Karametra is not a creature under your control. I would think that the same applies to man lands and keyrunes. That is how I understand it, anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong.  |
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Post by agruskosenforceroftr on Mar 1, 2014 17:34:15 GMT
Because Karametra would no longer be a creature when you take it, wouldn't the "destroy that creature" clause fizzle anyways? Its not important for Karametra, but how about things like Keyrunes. As long as Karametra is a creature when you target her, you still get to keep control of her with Merieke as long as she remains tapped, even if Karametra is not a creature under your control. I would think that the same applies to man lands and keyrunes. That is how I understand it, anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong. I was talking about her "When Merieke Ri Berit leaves the battlefield or becomes untapped, destroy that creature. It can't be regenerated" ability. |
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Post by moneekahh on Mar 1, 2014 17:41:18 GMT
From my understanding of rules, yes, they would be destroyed even of they are no longer a creature once she is untapped.
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Post by wintut on Mar 1, 2014 17:44:50 GMT
Because Karametra would no longer be a creature when you take it, wouldn't the "destroy that creature" clause fizzle anyways? Its not important for Karametra, but how about things like Keyrunes. As long as Karametra is a creature when you target her, you still get to keep control of her with Merieke as long as she remains tapped, even if Karametra is not a creature under your control. I would think that the same applies to man lands and keyrunes. That is how I understand it, anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think you actually keep karametra permenantly as merieke doesn't say that you lose control of the creature, you simply destroy it. So my new target is anything with Indestructible. |
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Post by moneekahh on Mar 1, 2014 17:47:45 GMT
You're right I was going off of memory of her ability at first. (Not the best idea in rules forum) I apologize!
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